Comments on: FCPS: It’s Illegal To Make Websites! - Continued http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/ Enter the world of Afnani. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 01:04:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: zclnyserx xqnjbsfo http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-2633 zclnyserx xqnjbsfo Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:50:12 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-2633 zjlm mrueoanfp eqzd nyfhjo drvgxbl ukhmgicte ofbwae zjlm mrueoanfp eqzd nyfhjo drvgxbl ukhmgicte ofbwae

]]> By: Jon http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-350 Jon Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:33:56 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-350 One more thing cuz I forgot to mention where i alluded to the contractual law part of the equation... it's actually the statement that you claimed "failed to make my point". Let me rephrase it so you can join the myriad other people who DO understand. DESTPITE the vagueness of the policy, it STILL makes clear that the only actions that can be construed as against the policy are those that were enacted FROM OR ON the network. Does that clear it up for you? Its NOT vague enough to beat my argument in other words. Understand yet? No? Well that's to be expected, but at least people can see that you're an idiot now. One more thing cuz I forgot to mention where i alluded to the contractual law part of the equation… it’s actually the statement that you claimed “failed to make my point”. Let me rephrase it so you can join the myriad other people who DO understand. DESTPITE the vagueness of the policy, it STILL makes clear that the only actions that can be construed as against the policy are those that were enacted FROM OR ON the network. Does that clear it up for you? Its NOT vague enough to beat my argument in other words. Understand yet? No? Well that’s to be expected, but at least people can see that you’re an idiot now.

]]> By: Jon http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-349 Jon Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:12:49 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-349 Oh and in response to someone saying that proxies are not educational... learning how to make a proxy website may be relatively easy, but you still acquire a new skill in the IT area, which (in case youre still stumped) is also known as educating yourself. It's the same as reading a physics textbook for fun and doing some experiments. I was going to school and working, sorry I wasn't prompt in getting back to you all, but some of you are kinda dumb, sorry. Oh and in response to someone saying that proxies are not educational… learning how to make a proxy website may be relatively easy, but you still acquire a new skill in the IT area, which (in case youre still stumped) is also known as educating yourself. It’s the same as reading a physics textbook for fun and doing some experiments. I was going to school and working, sorry I wasn’t prompt in getting back to you all, but some of you are kinda dumb, sorry.

]]> By: Jon http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-348 Jon Mon, 03 Mar 2008 02:08:41 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-348 Easy fix... despite your ad hominem remarks, I'll try to be civil. As to your comment about the 1st amendment: In a court of law, I would have made a perfectly valid argument. Despite the actual wording of the amendment itself, you are entitled to freedom of speech, which includes the internet, and that was my point. Just because something was created for circumventing a network does not mean that it had to have been made for a specific network. And that thing I said about a website promoting illegal activity was in reference to sites that contain things like child pornography and the like. I understand that people are allowed to publicly disagree with laws and statutes, and thank god for that, but in case you were to blazed at that marijuana rally, actual usage of marijuana or whatever youre trying to promote the legalization of, will result in arrest, just as having a same sex marriage at a rally would simply result in that marriage not being recognized. How exactly again did I misinterpret the 1st amendment? If it isn't illegal to make proxy websites (and its not), then the school has grounds for suspicion, but not revocation of his internet usage, and certainly he is not responsible for their bad timing in calling him into the office (which sounds malicious anyway). It's nice to see you can use teh surch enjins, but I wasn't trying to convince him to hire me... I would have to have already taken the bar for that. There are other statutes to be brought up in conjunction with 1st amendment rights btw, so just because you graduated 8th grade, don't think you know the legal system inside and out. Yeah i forgot to be civil, but ur a jerk. Easy fix… despite your ad hominem remarks, I’ll try to be civil. As to your comment about the 1st amendment: In a court of law, I would have made a perfectly valid argument. Despite the actual wording of the amendment itself, you are entitled to freedom of speech, which includes the internet, and that was my point. Just because something was created for circumventing a network does not mean that it had to have been made for a specific network. And that thing I said about a website promoting illegal activity was in reference to sites that contain things like child pornography and the like. I understand that people are allowed to publicly disagree with laws and statutes, and thank god for that, but in case you were to blazed at that marijuana rally, actual usage of marijuana or whatever youre trying to promote the legalization of, will result in arrest, just as having a same sex marriage at a rally would simply result in that marriage not being recognized. How exactly again did I misinterpret the 1st amendment? If it isn’t illegal to make proxy websites (and its not), then the school has grounds for suspicion, but not revocation of his internet usage, and certainly he is not responsible for their bad timing in calling him into the office (which sounds malicious anyway). It’s nice to see you can use teh surch enjins, but I wasn’t trying to convince him to hire me… I would have to have already taken the bar for that. There are other statutes to be brought up in conjunction with 1st amendment rights btw, so just because you graduated 8th grade, don’t think you know the legal system inside and out. Yeah i forgot to be civil, but ur a jerk.

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]]> By: EasyFix http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-195 EasyFix Tue, 05 Feb 2008 06:54:21 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-195 Hello! It seems we have a pre-law student, here. And he appears to have a monopoly on logic. I'll do my best to keep up. "Uhhhhh… yes, the internet is a valid medium and is included in the first amendment." The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech". Congress did not write the acceptable use policy at Langley High School, which the student signed. This is a matter of contractual law, and not freedom of speech. "The only times that your 1st am. rights are in jeopardy is if your site promotes any illegal activity." Have you read the Bill of Rights? The First Amendment does not make distinctions regarding the type of speech, nor promotion of illegal activity. Go to a rally for same sex marriage, or marijuana legalization to see people exercising their first amendment rights to advocate illegal activities. You're wrong. "And his actions DO NOT violate the school policy. The school policy has no jurisdiction to dictate what happens outside of its network. In case you didn’t notice, the wording is as vague as it can be, but it still suggests that only actions made FROM OR ON the network are against the rules." Your emphasis fails to make your point. Running a web site that facilitates circumvention of network access restrictions is reasonable grounds for suspicion of a user's activities. The student agreed to this code of conduct before ever touching the computers, and agreed that privileges of access could be revoked at any time. The wording is vague so that what counts as an offense is open to interpretation by the school, and not the student. You're going to have to do better than misinterpreting the Bill of Rights to get him out of his agreement. I agree with you Scott, Mr. Afnani seems to think that school policy is not violated until someone does something illegal. Robert, there's going to be a mess of lawyers trying to convince you that you can win a case. It's just a ploy to get at the investment capital you like blogging about. All the money and lawsuits in the world will never get you respect. It's just special treatment you want, to be patted on your head an told you're important. Grow up, and be grateful you haven't been expelled yet. Hello! It seems we have a pre-law student, here. And he appears to have a monopoly on logic. I’ll do my best to keep up.

“Uhhhhh… yes, the internet is a valid medium and is included in the first amendment.”

The First Amendment states, “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”. Congress did not write the acceptable use policy at Langley High School, which the student signed. This is a matter of contractual law, and not freedom of speech.

“The only times that your 1st am. rights are in jeopardy is if your site promotes any illegal activity.”

Have you read the Bill of Rights? The First Amendment does not make distinctions regarding the type of speech, nor promotion of illegal activity. Go to a rally for same sex marriage, or marijuana legalization to see people exercising their first amendment rights to advocate illegal activities. You’re wrong.

“And his actions DO NOT violate the school policy. The school policy has no jurisdiction to dictate what happens outside of its network. In case you didn’t notice, the wording is as vague as it can be, but it still suggests that only actions made FROM OR ON the network are against the rules.”

Your emphasis fails to make your point. Running a web site that facilitates circumvention of network access restrictions is reasonable grounds for suspicion of a user’s activities. The student agreed to this code of conduct before ever touching the computers, and agreed that privileges of access could be revoked at any time.

The wording is vague so that what counts as an offense is open to interpretation by the school, and not the student. You’re going to have to do better than misinterpreting the Bill of Rights to get him out of his agreement.

I agree with you Scott, Mr. Afnani seems to think that school policy is not violated until someone does something illegal.

Robert, there’s going to be a mess of lawyers trying to convince you that you can win a case. It’s just a ploy to get at the investment capital you like blogging about.

All the money and lawsuits in the world will never get you respect. It’s just special treatment you want, to be patted on your head an told you’re important. Grow up, and be grateful you haven’t been expelled yet.

]]> By: Kai Verpeide http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-184 Kai Verpeide Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:51:50 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-184 PS. what is your progress on this case anyway? Have you spoken to anyone on the school board during the weekend? I would also like to appeal to your sense of common sense and refrain from suing the school. It seems that no one thinks of what effect this might have on their budget and possibly the effect it might have on the schools ability to educate the students. If you want to hurt them, be the bigger man and play it smart. Lawsuits are not always the answer, and are viewed quite differently in the US then most other places. And if you ask me, not for the better. Greetings from Norway btw. PS. what is your progress on this case anyway?
Have you spoken to anyone on the school board during the weekend?

I would also like to appeal to your sense of common sense and refrain from suing the school.
It seems that no one thinks of what effect this might have on their budget and possibly the effect it might have on the schools ability to educate the students.

If you want to hurt them, be the bigger man and play it smart.
Lawsuits are not always the answer, and are viewed quite differently in the US then most other places.
And if you ask me, not for the better.

Greetings from Norway btw.

]]> By: Kai Verpeide http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-183 Kai Verpeide Mon, 04 Feb 2008 10:39:04 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-183 *Sigh* It's quite simple people! He created a proxy server intended for use by only himself and a few close friends. This proxy was created and maintained outside the school network, and he never personaly used it on the school network. One of his friends told someone else and it spread like wildfire. What the IT folks at his school should have done at that point was simply block the proxy and the problem would be gone. The only thing Robert did wrong here was that he did not change the password for his proxy, and tell his friends that this is not intended for school use. Only use outside of school. It's not his responsibility to babysit the IT people at his school. The administration clearly have no idea what they are doing if you ask me. *Sigh*

It’s quite simple people!
He created a proxy server intended for use by only himself and a few close friends.

This proxy was created and maintained outside the school network, and he never personaly used it on the school network.
One of his friends told someone else and it spread like wildfire.

What the IT folks at his school should have done at that point was simply block the proxy and the problem would be gone.

The only thing Robert did wrong here was that he did not change the password for his proxy, and tell his friends that this is not intended for school use.
Only use outside of school.

It’s not his responsibility to babysit the IT people at his school.

The administration clearly have no idea what they are doing if you ask me.

]]> By: anon http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-181 anon Mon, 04 Feb 2008 05:45:22 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-181 I encourage you to seek legal council on this. I think the administration clearly overreacted, and had no right to slander you in such ways. In my opinion, they were probably justified in restricting computer access to your proxy (based on what I can see of the computer use policy), but were WAY out of line in making you out to be a hacker/terrorist. Definitely get a copy of that letter, I'm sure many of us would be interested in reading it. I encourage you to seek legal council on this. I think the administration clearly overreacted, and had no right to slander you in such ways.

In my opinion, they were probably justified in restricting computer access to your proxy (based on what I can see of the computer use policy), but were WAY out of line in making you out to be a hacker/terrorist.

Definitely get a copy of that letter, I’m sure many of us would be interested in reading it.

]]> By: lgr http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-179 lgr Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:06:36 +0000 http://robertafnani.com/2008/02/01/fcps-it%e2%80%99s-illegal-to-make-websites-more-information/#comment-179 I'm a senior in a public high school in the US, and this kind of bullshit has really pissed me off. Unfortunately, students in public high schools have pretty much none of the constitutional rights granted to citizens; ones that might apply in this situation include due process of law and ex post facto (IANAL, just what I remember). I've just tried not to draw attention to myself regarding my school's computers; i.e. I would've made sure the domain name didn't have my name in it, if I created a proxy that I let other people find out about. I know it's kind of late to tell you that ;), but I guess it's something you should keep in mind for the future: just because you have certain rights doesn't mean you should flaunt them. Not doing so tends to make things a lot easier in practical terms, even if you do feel like your rights are being violated. One of the main purposes of high school is social control, of a form that can't be implemented once we're 18. By controlling the youth, they hope that some part of that control will remain even after those rights are "given" to us upon turning 18. So I guess you should stand up for your rights if you have to (as in this situation) but IMHO it's much easier to avoid such situations if possible. Personally, I can't wait to get out of this pigsty and go to college. Anywho, good luck; sounds like you're a senior too, so in a few months you'll be free of the fascist system for good :D I’m a senior in a public high school in the US, and this kind of bullshit has really pissed me off. Unfortunately, students in public high schools have pretty much none of the constitutional rights granted to citizens; ones that might apply in this situation include due process of law and ex post facto (IANAL, just what I remember). I’ve just tried not to draw attention to myself regarding my school’s computers; i.e. I would’ve made sure the domain name didn’t have my name in it, if I created a proxy that I let other people find out about. I know it’s kind of late to tell you that ;), but I guess it’s something you should keep in mind for the future: just because you have certain rights doesn’t mean you should flaunt them. Not doing so tends to make things a lot easier in practical terms, even if you do feel like your rights are being violated.

One of the main purposes of high school is social control, of a form that can’t be implemented once we’re 18. By controlling the youth, they hope that some part of that control will remain even after those rights are “given” to us upon turning 18. So I guess you should stand up for your rights if you have to (as in this situation) but IMHO it’s much easier to avoid such situations if possible. Personally, I can’t wait to get out of this pigsty and go to college. Anywho, good luck; sounds like you’re a senior too, so in a few months you’ll be free of the fascist system for good :D

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